Tuesday, August 14, 2012

100% absolute, iron-clad proof of the PRE-70th week rapture of the church!



Let me say this right away to my dear, fellow pre-tribbers:

YES, this article biblically and completely addresses 2nd Thessalonians 2:3 and shows how the Bible resolves it with the pre-70th week rapture of the church. I mention that particular point right off the bat, because I know that if you have spent any serious amount of time researching the timing of the rapture of the church, you've seen lots of proof that we will be raptured up BEFORE the 70th week (aka the time of Jacob's trouble, aka the tribulation, as it's rather falsely called), but you just couldn't ever get around verse 3 of 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2. I admit, for me, it was like a seemingly invincible adamantium kingpin that just could not be broken. I just KNEW there was something somewhere in the Bible that resolved it while sitting perfectly with it at the same time (The Bible cannot disagree with itself, after all), but I just couldn't ever find it. Well, I am over-joyed to tell you that the Bible came through heroically, as it always does, and I found what I had been missing for so long. It will be the first thing I share with you. You will LOVE it.

This article is for anyone who wants solid, iron-clad, Bible-backed proof that the rapture of the church will happen BEFORE the 70th week (aka the tribulation). It's for pre-tribbers that are stuck on a seemingly immovable piece of scripture that just won't let go (like 2nd Thessalonians 2:3). It's for those depressed mid-tribbers, pre-wrathers and post-tribbers who WANT to believe in a pre-70th rapture of the church, but have been taught wrong and have been shown some pretty convincing "evidence" that the rapture of the church will happen only AFTER the 70th week.

The doctrine of a pre-70th week rapture of the church is being increasingly doubted today by innocent people who are simply being taught wrong, and outright attacked by others, far worse, who secretly hate the Christian church and have a devilish spirit inside them that wants to see the church delivered into the hands of Satan. These people hold the position that the church will have to go through half, or 90%, or ALL of the 70th week before it's raptured up to meet Jesus. They are called, respectively, mid-tribbers, pre-wrath tribbers, and post-tribbers. They differ on their idea of exactly when the church will be raptured, but they all agree that the church will not be raptured up before the 70th week starts.

I'm going to show you how the Bible refutes and dismantles every single point of supposed evidence that the less innocent mid, pre-wrath and post-tribbers have brought out against the pre-70th week rapture of the church, and you're going to see a lot of the ways that they have twisted the scripture to support their positions, either out of biblical ignorance or deliberate, intentional deception.

Let me just remind you to not object to something simply because it conflicts with something you've been previously taught. We, as humans are so susceptible to logical fallacies: Appeal to majority (a lot of people believe it so it must be true!), Appeal to authority (a man of great authority said it so it must be true!), Appeal to tradition (we've always believed it to be true, therefore it must be true!), etc, etc. We're susceptible to these kinds of errors because we think with our emotions more than we do with logic. Sometimes our biggest obstacle is our own mind. So, I just wanted to put that readiness into your head as you read on.

Oh, and please be sure to use an Authorized King James Bible.


Here's a quick list of the points we will be addressing:

1. 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2
For the longest time now, mids, pre-wrathers, and post-tribbers have used this chapter as supposed proof that the church can't leave until the man of sin (the anti-christ) has shown up and been revealed as the devil incarnate (the son of perdition), which happens halfway through the 70th week, causing many to believe that, therefore, the church has to be here for at least half of the 70th week, if not more. We're going to see something somewhere else in the Bible that completely proves that the church leaves BEFORE the 70th week, but sits perfectly well with 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2, as well.

2. The post-tribber claim that the 70th week was made for the church so it can be purified. As gently as I can say it, that is pure, catholic nonsense, not to mention, replacement theology.

3. Matthew 24:29-31
This is the flagship passage of the post-tribbers "proof" that the church isn't raptured up until after the 70th week, but there are correlating passages in the Bible that also describe this same gathering, and when we overlay the details of them together, we see very clearly that Matthew 24:29-31 is not describing the rapture of the church.

4. Acts 24:15

In this verse, Paul talks about the resurrection and mentions only two resurrections: one of the just and one of the unjust. Post-tribbers say that this matches up with Revelation chapter 20, which says there are only two resurrections. What we're going to see here is that there are multiple parts to the first resurrection, not just one.

5. Post-tribbers claim that 1st Corinthians 15:23-24 proves that the church will be raptured at Jesus' second coming, not before. They also claim that 1st Corinthians 15:54 proves that the end of the 70th week comes right after the rapture of the church, therefore proving that the church is not raptured until the end of the 70th week. We're going to look at both passages and see how such teaching is wrong.

6. The post-tribber claim that since Revelation 7:13-14 clearly shows saints in the 70th week, the church must surely be here for the 70th week. We're going to see from the Bible that there is a big difference between the Christians saved before the 70th week and the people saved after the 70th week starts.


7. The "last trump." A lot of people think this means the 7th trumpet of the 70th week, but that's wrong.

8. We look at the post-tribber claim that there is nothing special about the church that it should get to escape the 70th week. 

9. This point is a lot like number 8. Post-tribbers think that because some areas of Christianity (namely, western Christianity) have not suffered to the post-tribbers' satisfaction, that the whole church must therefore suffer the 70th week.


10. Some mid-tribbers, pre-wrathers and post-tribbers think that the "falling away" and "strong delusion" of 2nd Thesaalonians chapter 2, and the offense and hatred of Matthew 24:10 will be because pre-tribbers will be angry that the rapture didn't happen. We take a look at what the REAL cause of the anger and confusion is going to be.

So, let's get started:

(1) 2nd Thessalonians 2:3

Let's read this verse along with its surrounding text.

2nd Thessalonians 2:1-9
1. Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2. that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4. who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6. And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9. even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

We can tell from the very first verse that this chapter concerns the rapture of the church ("the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering unto him"). And we know from other places in the Bible that the day of Christ is, indeed, the day of the church's resurrection (1st Corinthians 1:8, Philippians 1:6, 1:10, 2:16).

So, when Paul says here that the day of Christ won't happen until there be a falling away first AND that man of sin be revealed as the son of perdition by sitting down in the temple and committing the abomination of desolation halfway through the 70th week, well, it certainly looks like the church isn't leaving for heaven until at least halfway through the 70th week.

I and other pre-tribbers who KNEW that there was a resolution somewhere would begin looking for that resolution and, boy, would the gears ever start grinding and sparks start flying. We would argue for hours with the post-tribbers over who the restrainer of verses 6 & 7 is, and we thought, for some reason, that if we could just prove that the Christian church is the restrainer, that we could somehow solve everything and prove a pre-70th week rapture of the church. But it never worked. Verse 3 would always remain this invincible kingpin that would not let go. We were stuck in a catch 22. The anti-christ couldn't arrive until the church was taken out of the way (rapture), but the rapture (the day of Christ) couldn't take place until the anti-Christ had been revealed. It didn't matter where we moved the "day of Christ" to on the timeline, either, because it still couldn't happen until the anti-Christ arrived, but the anti-Christ couldn't arrive until the church was raptured up out of the way. We pre-tribbers would walk away from the debate with an arrogant "humph!" and declare victory, but then chew our fingernails in private wondering how we would get around such a catch 22.

I knew there was an answer in the Bible somewhere, and I had been praying for quite a while to find out what finally resolved it, and the Lord showed it to me just the other night.

So, let's see how this gets resolved:

In 2nd Thessalonians 2:2 we see that the Thessalonians were shaken and troubled because they thought the day of Christ was at hand.

The words "at hand" always refer to a nearby future event, never a present event that is currently happening. For example:

Deuteronomy 32:35
To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.

^Notice the calamity is "at hand" but then it says it "shall come," as in future tense.

Isaiah 13:6
Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

^Notice the day of the Lord is "at hand" but then it says "it shall come," as in future tense.

2nd Timothy 4:6
For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.

^Obviously, the words "at hand" denote a future tense, because if it was present tense, he wouldn't be able to write anything.

Now, we know that no one in their right minds would have a problem with the day of Christ being in the near future if it was indeed their hope of a resurrection, especially if they were being persecuted as badly as the Thessalonians were and wanted to escape. So what sense does it make that the Thessalonians would have been shaken or troubled thinking that their rescue was at hand?

Here's the answer:

There are TWO days of Christ, and they happen seven years apart. If you think that sounds crazy, keep reading. The Bible is going to prove to you that there are TWO days of Christ.

The Thessalonians had been deceived by a letter that was floating around that claimed that they had missed the FIRST day of Christ (the rapture of the church), and that that was the reason they were being persecuted so much. They thought they were in the 70th week already. They thought the next thing to take place was the SECOND day of Christ, aka the day of the Lord, aka the wrath. Imagine what they were thinking: if they had been counted unworthy of being raptured under such an easy dispensation of grace through faith, how much more unworthy were they going to be considered under the dispensation of faith and works? (Which is how you survive the second day of Christ, as we will shortly see). They were scared to death.

We can see that they had been told they had missed the church's resurrection (the FIRST day of Christ), and that the second one (the wrath) was nearly upon them by looking at 2nd Timothy 2:16-18

2nd Timothy 2:16-18
16. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymen├Žus and Philetus;
18. who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Look closely at this. We know that the Thessalonians had been told that the day of Christ was AT HAND, meaning that it was near, but still in the future. But we see here that they had also been told that the resurrection of the church had already past. In other words, they had been told that the first day of Christ has passed, and that they were in the 70th week and about to face the second day of Christ and very likely be damned to hell.

And now, here's the iron-clad proof that there are TWO days of Christ, spoken of by Jesus himself, and he even goes on to describe the two different days of Christ, and the typology of the first fits the pre-70th week rapture of the church, and the typology of the second fits his second coming:

Keep in mind here that he is talking in scope, no to the believing apostles, but to the unbelieving nation of Israel in the 70th week, as denoted by the usage of the word "ye."


Luke 17:22
And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.

Who's the Son of man? Christ, of course. So, what are the "days of the Son of Man?" The days of Christ, of course. Is the word "days" singular or plural? Plural, of course. So, when Jesus says "Ye shall desire to see ONE of the days of the Son of Man, and ye shall not see it" what is he saying? He's saying that there is more than one day of Christ and some people are going to miss one of them. Also, if you know anything about 17th century English, notice the use of the word 'ye,' which is different from 'you.' 'Ye' is directed to a whole people, not just one person. He is speaking in scope to the majority of Israel. He is telling them they will miss THAT day of Christ (the first one) because they will not accept him as their savior. The church, on the other hand, will NOT miss that particular day of Christ because we accepted the gospel and were saved. Notice that afterwards (verse 23-24), he warns them (Israel) to avoid false christs, because after the first day of Christ, people will be saying we found him here or we found him there, and he says not to go, because he (Jesus, the true Christ) will appear in such a way that is unmistakeable (lightning flashing from east to west.)

Next, he goes on to describe the two days of the Son of man, or the two days of Christ. Here's the first one:

Luke 17:26-27
26. And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Noah, the ark, and the flood is a typology of the rapture of the church, the first day of Christ. If we go back to Genesis chapter 7, we see that Noah and his family (all of the righteous people in the world) are put onto the ark SEVEN DAYS before the wrath of God comes, as in the seven years of the 70th week before the wrath of God comes at the end. The ark is very much a type of baptism into the body of Christ by grace through faith, just as Peter says (1st Peter 3:20-22).

"Seven days" (before the wrath starts) - Note verses 4 and 10 below:

Genesis 7:1-10 (Emphasis mine)
1. And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
2. Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
3. Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

4. For yet SEVEN DAYS, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
5. And Noah did according unto all that the Lord commanded him.
6. And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.
7. And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons’ wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.
8. Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth,
9. there went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.
10. And it came to pass AFTER SEVEN DAYS, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

Also, notice that God himself shuts the door of the ark, not Noah:

Genesis 7:15-16
15. And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
16. And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in.

This lines up with the door being shut after the bride and the 5 wise virgins respond to the coming of the bridegroom in Matthew 25:1-13. Also, it lines up with the door that only Jesus can open and shut in Revelation 3:7-8 being held open for the Philadelphian church who is told that they will be kept from the hour of temptation that will come upon the whole earth. They will not be subject to it in any way. Also, notice that everyone inside the ark (which is a type of the body of Christ - 1st Peter 3:20-22), is MARRIED.


Now, I need to address something here. There are some post-tribbers who try to say that Genesis chapter 7 says that the door of the ark was closed on the very day it started raining, not 7 days prior, and, in fact, try to use the flood account as proof of a POST-70th week rapture of the church. They gladly and even quickly agree that the ark and the flood are a type and picture of the church being baptized into the body of Christ, but then claim that Genesis 7:13 clearly shows that Noah and his family and the animals entered the ark on the same day it started raining and then say, "Ha! See? The door wasn't shut until right before God's wrath came, meaning that the church isn't going to be caught up until right before the Lord's return, and will most definitely go through the 70th week and be slaughtered! Can't wait!!" What's throwing them off is that verse 13 comes after verse 11, which dates the very day Noah entered the ark, so they think that the day mentioned in verse 13 is referring to the day mentioned in verse 11. Let's take a look at the verses and see for ourselves:

 Genesis 7:11:13
11. In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of hte month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
12. And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
13. In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark.

Sure, one can see where someone could get the idea that verse 13 is referring to the very day the rain started in verse 11. However, if that was the case, there would be a major contradiction here, and, in fact, a lot of ignorant atheists have jumped all over this, salivating and rubbing their hands together as they posted yet more "proof" that the Bible contains errors. For example, the following website, which attempts to list all of the contradictions in the King James Bible, added the supposed contradiction in Genesis chap. 7 over which day Noah entered the ark:

When did Noah enter the ark?

But we know there are no contradictions in the Bible. First off, just to confirm that Noah and his family and the animals entered the ark seven days BEFORE the flood came, lets look at Genesis 7:7-10 one more time:

Genesis 7:7-10
7. And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons’ wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.
8. Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, 9. there went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.
10. And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.


Notice that Noah and his family and the animals entered the ark and THEN it came to pass AFTER seven more days that the flood came.

So, what's going on here, then? Do we have a clear case of a contradiction? No. Verses 6 - 12 are simply an interjected parenthetical that gives a broad overview of the whole event. The parenthetical ends by giving the specific date that the flood started. But then the account picks back up with the words, "On the selfsame day..." and some people who aren't led by the holy Spirit in their interpretation of the scripture take this to mean that Noah entered the ark on the selfsame day that the flood started.

Here's how to read Genesis chapter 7 to get the correct chronology of events: Start with the parenthetical of verse 6 - 12, then for the detailed account, read verse 1 - 5, then skip to verses 13 - 24.

So, why would God arrange the scripture like this? The Bible itself says that God is not the author of confusion. right? (1st Corinthians 14;33). You know what my personal opinion on it is? I believe he does things like that to trip up and expose heretics. I think he uses traps like that to show them up for what they are: peddlers of the word of God, who are not being led by the holy Spirit at all. If the insights of the Bible were so clearly marked and easily defined, heretics would know to avoid trying to twist those parts of the Bible and would quickly skip on to something else. But God leaves puzzles in the Bible that a holy Spirit led Christian can figure out with study, and an unsaved poser will mis-interpret. Know what the best part is? God he lets us in on the action too:

Proverbs 25:2
It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

God conceals these things and it's our honor to search them out and find the treasure within.

So, with that out of the way and cleared up, let's move on....

Next, Jesus describes the SECOND day of Christ, aka the day of the Lord, the day of wrath, the one the Jews will be warned to run from and if they turn back, they can still be destroyed.

Luke 17:28-32
28. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29. but the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
31. In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
32. Remember Lot’s wife.

Notice in this one there are not seven days before the wrath comes (7 years of the 70th week). It comes immediately because THIS day of Christ happens at the END of the 70th week. Notice that, unlike the people on the ark, these people still CAN be hurt and destroyed if they turn back to try to preserve their former life (Lot's wife - He that tries to save his life shall lose it and vice versa - Only he that endures to the end will be saved.) Notice in the verses that follow that the wicked are being taken to the field of dead bodies where Armageddon had just taken place to be eaten by the fowls. This is the gathering that happens in Matthew 24:29-31, 40-41, Matthew 13:24-30 and 37-43, Matthew 25:31-46, and Luke 17:34-37, as we will see later, when we prove that Matthew 24:29-31 is NOT the rapture of the church.

The Thessalonians had been told that they had missed the first day of Christ, (just as Jesus told the Jews many would not see ONE of the days of Christ), and that they were therefore in the 70th week and the second day of Christ, the wrath, was next to happen (at hand). Paul tells them that THAT day, the second day of Christ, cannot come unless there come a falling away first and the man of sin be revealed.

You can argue all you want about why Paul didn't mention the second day of Christ, but Jesus himself made it plain and simple that there are TWO days of Christ. Like, I've said before, God deliberately made this Bible as a two-edged sword to where, if a heretic wants to, they can twist it support their heresy, but will do so to their own destruction.

Also, if you're thinking, "No. The Bible is clear that there is only ONE resurrection for the just and then one for the unjust!" you will be soundly answered in the section that addresses Acts 24:15 and other such verses that only mention a resurrection of the just and unjust.

(2) Quote from post-tribbers:
"The church has to go through the 70th week so it can be purified!"

Have you ever heard a post-tribber say this? This reeks suspiciously of catholic doctrine and anyone you hear say this is probably under the influence of the catholic church in some way. The ~catholic~ church may need to be purified, but not the true, Christian church. The church is the body of Christ and is already a redeemed purchase and is sealed for the day of redemption (Ephesians 1:12-15, 4:30). Someone is either saved or they aren't, and if they are, they are already sitting with Jesus in heavenly places (Ephesians 2:6) and they are already translated into the kingdom (Colossians 1:3). The "new man" that lives inside of them (Ephesians 4:24, Colossians 3:10) is the body of Christ (Galatians 2:20), and he cannot be put back into death (Romans 6:9). They are saved forever. The body of Christ doesn't need to be "purged" further. A post-tribber may argue that by "purification" they aren't referring to salvation, but then what ARE they referring to? If they're referring to our own personal righteousness, the Bible is clear that our works are going to be tried in the fire at the judgment seat of Christ and if we have bad works, we will suffer loss, but we ourselves shall be saved (1st Corinthians 3:11-16).

God uses Satan during the 70th week to purge and try the unbelieving world, especially unbelieving Israel, not the Christian church:

Revelation 3:10
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

2nd Thessalonians 2:10-12 makes it crystal clear that the deception of the 70th week is for those who are NOT saved and did not accept the truth (Jesus).

2nd Thessalonians 2:10-12
10. and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12. that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Notice, above, that it's talking in a past tense of a time when the people that are here for the 70th week had a chance to accept the truth before it started, but failed to do so, meaning that that particular dispensation of salvation has come and gone.

Some post-tribbers have tried to use Ephesians 5:23-27 as scriptural proof that the church has to be purified, but they must have not read verse 25 very carefully. It says Jesus GAVE HIMSELF (at the cross) that the church might be spot and wrinkle free, NOT that he designed the 70th week so the church can be spot free. Also, verse Ephesians 5:29 says that no man hateth his own flesh, but nouriseth and cheriseth it. The Bible is clear the anti-christ is not only the rod of God's anger and the staff of his indigation (Isaiah 10:5), but that he will wear out and overcome the saints that are here for the 70th week. Is Jesus beating himself with his own rod and staff? Is he whipping himself with a vinegar soaked chain while reciting the catholic catechism, the sacraments, the liturgy and taking the eucharist, lol?

They must not have read verse 26, either. It's the washing by the water of the word that keeps us clean, not the 70th week. Remember what Jesus told his disciples:

John 13:9-11
9. Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.
10. Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.
11. For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.

He told them that they are already saved, so they don't need to be washed (or "purified") again. Only that their feet need to be washed, which is what Ephesians 5:26 meant by washing of the water by the word. Even though their feet needed to be cleaned every now and then, they where "clean every whit."

(3) Matthew 24:29-31

This is the post-tribbers flagship passage of supposed "proof" of the post-70th week rapture of the church, so let's take a a look at it right now:

Matthew 24:29-31
29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30. and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Also paralleled in Mark chapter 13...

Mark 13:24-27
24. But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25. and the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

"Right there it is in plain English," the post-tribber proudly proclaims. "AFTER the tribulation, Jesus returns and calls his elect up to meet him in the clouds. You pre-tribbers ain't goin' NOWHERE! Hahaha!"

The first thing I want you to notice is that in neither of those passages does it say anything about the elect flying up to join Jesus in the clouds, as the church does in 1st Thessalonians 4:16-17. In fact, Matthew 25:31-46, which is the same gathering as Matthew 24:29-31, shows that Jesus is already sitting on his throne in glory before the wicked and the righteous are gathered to him in the end. (And you'll see proof in just a moment that the gathering in Matthew 25:31-46 most certainly IS the same gathering as the one in Matthew 24:29-31.) You may argue that "gathered from the four winds and from one end of heaven to another" certainly means they're in the air, but actually, these are just terms for far off lands that lie beyond the horizon, as proven by other scripture:

Deuteronomy 30:4-5
4. If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
5. and the Lord thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

^Obviously, this is referring to people that are still living because it says he will MULTIPLY them above their fathers. Obviously, no living person in a corruptible body (one that can have intercourse and multiply) is residing in the outmost parts of the second or third heaven when Jesus returns. It just means that even if they are dwelling in lands far beyond the horizon, God will bring them back to Israel.

And more proof that "end of heaven" simply means the far ends of the earth:

Isaiah 13:4-5
4. The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together:
5. They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the Lord, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.

^This is the Lord gathering the armies of all far off countries together to Israel for the battle of Armageddon. They are called the weapons of his indignation just as the anti-christ is called the rod of his anger and the staff of his indignation (Isaiah 10:5).

We see in Zechariah that this is referring to the time when Jesus calls all the nations together for the battle of Armageddon:

Zechariah 14:2
For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

But Isaiah 13:4-5 uses the language "from a far country, from the end of heaven" because "heaven" in that usage just means nations that lie beyond the horizon.

When Jesus says he will gather his elect from the far ends of heaven in Matthew 24:31, he is referring to the righteous Gentiles that are still alive and enduring, and are scattered all over the earth, and the Jews, of course, who are in their secret hiding place, wherever that is (Revelation 12:6 & 14). You might ask, "Yeah, but what about those that were killed during the 70th week? When do they get their glorified bodies then?"

Those that died during the 70th week get their glorified bodies AFTER the Jesus is already on his throne. They don't fly up to meet Jesus in the clouds as the church does in 1st Thessalonians 4:16-17. We see proof of this in Revelation 20:4...

Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

We see here that certain saints are already sitting on their thrones to judge those that will re-populate the earth during the millenial kingdom. If they are already on their thrones, then Jesus is certainly already on his throne. And as you just read, the souls of them that were killed during the 70th week are given their bodies AFTER everyone is on their throne. Therefore, we know their bodies did not fly up to meet Christ in the air as the church did. No one meets Christ in the air in Matthew 24:29-31; anyone who is with him in the clouds before he lands on earth CAME with him in the air from heaven. All of the living people, bad and good, will be gathered to Jesus once he's on his throne, and then the souls of the martyrs will be given their glorified bodies. The church will have already gotten their incorruptible bodies on the FIRST day of Christ, which happened 7 years prior, at the first day of Christ (Luke 17:22 for a refresher).

And here's the righteous Jews and the righteous Gentiles being gathered with the great trumpet of Matthew 24:29-31:

Isaiah 27:12-13
12. And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel.
13. And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the Lord in the holy mount at Jerusalem.

Next comes a very important part:

Matthew 24:29-31 is the same gathering that's happening in Matthew 13:24-30 and 37-43. So, let's take a look at Matthew 13:24-30 and 37-43...

Matthew 13:24-30
24. Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25. but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28. He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29. But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Matthew 13:37-43
37. He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38. the field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39. the enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42. and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

For proof that this is the same gathering that's happening in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27, we see in Matthew 13:39 that this gathering in Matthew chapter 13 is the harvest that happens at the END of the world, and that the reapers are the angels, gathering God's elect to him, just as in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13;24-27...

Matthew 13:39
the enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

But here's the important thing to notice: In Matthew 13:30, we see that the wicked (aka the tares) are gathered FIRST:

Matthew 13:30 (Emphasis mine)
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together FIRST the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

These people that are being gathered FIRST are the wicked people being gathered in Luke 17:34-36 and Matthew 24:40-41:

Luke 17:34-36
34. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. 35. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Matthew 24:40-41
40. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

How do we know that these are the wicked being gathered and not the righteous? Because they're being gathered FIRST, just like Matthew 13:30 says, and because of WHERE they are being taken to. In Luke 17:37, Jesus' disciples ask him WHERE those that are taken first are going to be taken to and he tells them they will eventually be taken to where the birds are feasting:

Luke 17:37
And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

This gathering of fowls that are feasting on dead bodies is Revelation 19:17-18, where all of the fowls of the earth are gathered to feast on the dead bodies of the armies of the anti-Christ, after Jesus has defeated them:

Revelation 19:17-21
17. And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18. that ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

This lets us know that the wicked aren't gathered up until AFTER Jesus has landed on earth and has defeated the armies of the anti-Christ.

And we know that Jesus defeats the armies of the anti-Christ when he's on the ground because the battle of Armageddon is called the great wine-press of God that Jesus shall tread with his feet:

Revelation 14:17-20
17. And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18. And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
19. And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
20. And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Revelation 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

So, what does this tell us? If the righteous are gathered up AFTER the wicked, and the wicked aren't gathered up until AFTER Jesus has landed up on earth and destroyed the armies of the anti-Christ, then the righteous aren't gathered up until after he's landed on earth and defeated the armies of the anti-Christ too. This matches up with Matthew 25:31-46, which shows the wicked and the righteous being gathered to Jesus after he's already on his throne:

Matthew 25:31-46
31. When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32. and before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33. and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35. for I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36. naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38. When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39. Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40. And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42. for I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43. I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45. Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Now, let's go back to the notion that Christians are supposedly "rising" to Christ in the air in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 for a moment, because there is one last thing to clear up. Some post-tribbers have tried to prove that the elect are rising to Christ in the air by saying that what Luke 17:37 means by "body" is the body of Christ and what it means by "eagles" is Isaiah 40:31, where is says those that God renews will mount up with eagles wings:

Luke 17:37
And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Isaiah 40:31
but they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

But this is grasping at straws. We see in the parallel passage in Matthew 24:28 that "body" means a carcass, and we know Jesus is not coming back as a dead carcass (to the chagrin of catholics and ministers of Satan everywhere)...

Matthew 24:27-28
27. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Again, this is referring to the dead bodies of the armies of the anti-Christ after Jesus has already defeated them and made his way to his throne.

So, once we put all of this together, we get a very clear and clean order of events:

1. The rapture of the church (1st Thessalonians 4:16-17, 1st Corinthians 15:51-53), aka the FIRST day of the Son of Man (1st day of Christ) that many will seek and not see (Luke 17:22), typified by Noah being shut inside the ark 7 days (type of 7 years) before the wrath starts. All that are inside the ark are unaffected by the wrath. All are married.)

2. The 70th week

3. Jesus' 2nd coming (Matthew 24:29-30, Mark 13:24-26, Revelation 14:17-20, Revelation 19:11-21) aka the second day of the Son of man (second day of Christ), which happens at the end of the 70th week, and someone can still cling too dearly to their earthly life and end up damned (Lot's wife).

4. The gathering of the wicked and righteous to Jesus on his throne (Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 13:24-20, 37-43).

...4a - The wicked are gathered first and bundled up (Matthew 13:30, Luke 17:34-36, Matthew 24:40-41)

...4b - The righteous are gathered second (Matthew 24:31, Mark 13:27)

5. The souls of those martyred during the 70th week are given their glorified bodies. (Revelation 20:4)

6. The righteous are allowed to enter into the kingdom (Matthew 25:34)

7. The wicked are then taken and dumped where the fowls are feasting (Matthew 25:41-46, Luke 17:37, Matthew 24:28)

This gathering of the everyone to Jesus' throne poses yet another problem for post-tribbers, too. Post-tribbers have to believe that there is not a change of the dispensation of salvation when the 70th week starts, because if the dispensation of salvation DOES change, then the church can't be here for it. If the dispensation of salvation changed from the very easy gospel of salvation by grace through faith to one of faith and works, then the church would have to be taken out of here, otherwise, they could take the mark and lose their salvation. But we know that the salvation of someone who is saved before the 70th week and therefore already part of the body of Christ is eternally secure (If you have any doubts of that, I challenge you to read the article, "Once you are saved, you are ALWAYS saved.") Because post-tribbers believe that the dispensation of salvation stays the same, they have to believe that all of the elect that are gathered after the 70th week are saved the same way the church was: by grace through faith.

So, here's the million dollar question:

What determines that the righteous that are gathered to Jesus' right side in Matthew 25:34 are actually righteous then?

If you say it's because they were saved the same way the church was (grace through faith), then they would have been raised incorruptible. And clearly, since we see that the people that re-populate the earth during the millenial kingdom can still sin (Isaiah 65:20, Zechariah 14:16-19), we know they are not incorruptible. If you say that it's faith and WORKS that saves them (which is what Matthew 25:31-46 says), then you have to admit that there is a change in the dispensation of salvation with the arrival of the 70th week. If there is a change of the dispensation of salvation from grace through faith to faith and works, then the church cannot be here as that would mean we could potentially lose our salvation.

I've heard some post-tribbers try to get around this by claiming that Christians can take the mark of the beast without losing their salvation. What then, pray tell, counts as "purification," if you can even take the mark of the beast without losing your salvation then??

That brings us to replacement theology. Replacement theology is the devilish doctrine that the Christian church has forever replaced the physical, genealogical Israel as the new spiritual Israel, and that all of God's plans and promises for Israel have now gone to the church. Post-tribbers have to believe in this doctrine in order to make the 70th week all about the church, and to keep from having to admit that there is a change of the dispensation of salvation. They claim that any genealogical Jew who gets saved during the 70th week will simply become part of the church and will be raised incorruptible together with the rest of the church as the "new Israel."

But I wonder how they account for this verse then:

Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Who are the twelve tribes of Israel here? If you say that it's the church then why do we need to be judged? Are we not incorruptible and made in the likeness of Jesus by that point? Are we not the body of Christ?

Clearly, these twelve tribes are exactly who the Bible says they are: the twelve tribes of Israel, not the church. These are the living Jews that will be redeemed out of the 70th week and allowed to inherit the kingdom. They are not incorruptible, they can have children and they can still sin, which is why they have to be judged. This also further confirms that there is a change of the dispensation of salvation in the 70th week because otherwise, these twelve tribes would have been raised incorruptible.

(4) Quote from post-tribbers:
"Acts 24:15 mentions the hope of our resurrection and only TWO are listed: one for the just and one for the unjust. Also, Revelation 20 shows us that the first resurrection doesn't happen until AFTER the 70th week. Therefore, there is no separate, special rapture for the precious church!!"

Okay, so what was Matthew 27:52-53, if not a resurrection of the just? That alone proves that the resurrection of the just has more than one part:

Matthew 27:50-53
50. Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52. and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53. and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Every time I have showed the above scripture to a post-tribber they have gone bonkers, flying into spitting rages and coming back with absolutely absurd explanations as to what Matthew 27:52-53 is describing. One guy even said that this is simply referring to the times Jesus told the disciples to raise the dead in Matthew 10:7-9 and Matthew 11:4-5. The problem with that is two-fold. First, Matthew 27:54 shows that the bodies of the saints that rose from the grave went and visited the people in the city and when the Centurion saw it, he knew that Jesus had been the son of God. This lets us know that this happened at that time, not at some point later:

Matthew 27:54
Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

Also, Jesus mentioned FOUR different hours of resurrection in John chapter 5, one of which was to take place THEN, as in soon as Jesus was crucified:

John 5:25
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

Notice the words, "And now is..." Jesus is telling them that an hour is coming (future) and now is (present) when the dead shall rise form the grave at the sound of the voice of the Jesus. The present hour, of course, was Matthew 27:52-53, when many saints rose from the grave with Jesus. (Keep reading and you'll find out who these saints are and why they were considered special enough to rise with Jesus.) Jesus then goes on in verses 28 and 29 to mention TWO MORE hours of the resurrection that would follow the two mentioned in verse 25:

John 5:28-29
28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29. and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Let's write down the four hours of resurrection:

(1) "and now is..." verse 25
(2) "the hour is coming..." verse 25
(3) "the resurrection of life" verse 29
(4) "the resurrection of damnation" verse 29

So, what are these four resurrections? They are:

(1) The many saints of Matthew 27:52-53
(2) The church
(3) The rest of the old testament saints and the 70th week martyrs at the end of the 70th week
(4) The wicked dead at the great white throne judgment

Now, some post-tribbers might be trying to say that the words, "the hour is coming" in verse 28 is only referring to one more hour of resurrection and claim that it is the resurrection that comes at the end of the millenium, but "the hour is coming" in verse 28 is referring to TWO different hours of resurrection, the exact same way that the words "the hour is coming" in verse 25 refers to TWO different hours of resurrection. Also, we can see from Revelation 20:6 that the first resurrection ends with the saints that are raised at the end of the 70th week:

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Therefore, we know that the resurrection to damnation for the wicked is a separate event that takes place 1,000 years later:

Revelation 20:11-12
11. And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Thus, we know that Jesus was indeed naming FOUR hours of resurrection. The first three are the three parts of the first resurrection, and the last one is the second resurrection, aka the resurrection to damnation.

(5) Quote from post-tribbers:
"1st Corinthians 15:22-24 reveals the order in which the righteous will be resurrected and it clearly shows that after Christ is resurrected, the only other people resurrected are those at his coming. And when it says "and then cometh the end" it's not referring to another resurrection, it's referring to verse 54, where Paul says the prophecy in Isaiah 25 that says 'Death is swallowed up in victory' will have been fulfilled, and if you go look at that prophecy it's clearly describing the END of the 70th week, so go to sleep and cry over THAT, you pre-tribber dolt!!"

Yes, I have actually gotten responses like that from post-tribbers before. Let's take a look at 1st Corinthians 15:22-24 to see what they're talking about and later on we'll take a look at 1st Corinthians 15:54 to see what's going on there too:

1st Corinthians 15;22-24
22. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
24. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

After reading that, it's understandable that someone could get the idea that it's just as the post-tribber says: Christ is the firstfruits and is raised first, then those that are his at his coming are raised and then comes the end. This could make it seem like the only resurrection of the just that's going to happen is the one that happens at Jesus' 2nd coming, and not before.

But hold on to your horses, because I'm about to tell you something that may shock you (and because you're about to find out who the saints that rose with Jesus in Matthew 27:52-53 are.)

The church is not part of "they that are Christ's at his coming" in verse 23 (which is why Paul said "THEY" and not "we".) The church is part of "Christ the firstfruits" along with the 144,000 that rose with Jesus in Matthew 27:52-53. Yep, that's right, the saints that rose with Christ in Matthew 27:52-53 are the 144,000 Jewish saints of Revelation chapters 7 and 14. As usual, we'll go to the Bible to prove this:

Revelation 14:1 & 4-5
1. And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.
4. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

Did you notice verse 4? They are FIRSTFRUITS unto God. They have already been redeemed too, which lets you know that they are not the Jews that turn to Christ during the 70th week, as so many falsely teach, since Luke 17:30-33 shows us that the Jews can mess up even at the very last moment, and aren't redeemed until they are gathered to Christ on his throne.

Now, you might be saying that "Christ the firstfruits" means only Christ, but then the burden is on you to tell us which order the 144,000 who rose with Christ from the grave belong to. Clearly, they don't belong to "they that are Christ's at his coming," because Christ's coming hasn't happened yet. And they would have even less to do with "the end." so the only place left for them to be put into is "Christ the firstfruits," which is why they are called "firstfruits" in Revelation 14:4.

But we're not done. Guess what? The CHURCH is called the firstfruits too.

We see two groups of firstfruits in Leviticus chapter 23. First is the wave sheaf (vs 9-12) and then comes the two wave loaves (vs 15-18). First let's look at the scripture that covers the wave-sheaf:

Leviticus 23:9-12
9. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
10. Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
11. and he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
12. And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the Lord.

Notice that the wave sheaf is offered up with a lamb without blemish. These are clearly the firstfruits saints who rose bodily with Jesus in Matthew 27:52-53

Next, the second firstfruits, the two wave-loaves - are described:

Leviticus 23:15-18
15. And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
16. even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord.
17. Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the Lord.
18. And ye shall offer with the bread seven lambs without blemish of the first year, and one young bullock, and two rams: they shall be for a burnt offering unto the Lord, with their meat offering, and their drink offerings, even an offering made by fire, of sweet savour unto the Lord.

Notice, most importantly, that in verse 17 the two wave-loaves are ALSO called firstfruits. Next, notice that they are made 50 days after the wave-sheaf. If the wave-sheaf was a type of the 144,000 being resurrected at the same time as Jesus, then the wave-loaves are a type of something that happened 50 days after Christ's resurrection. Can you name something important that happened 50 days after Jesus' resurrection? Here's a hint:

Acts 2:1-4
1. And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

That's right! Pentecost! And what was started on Pentecost? The CHURCH, of course. The two wave-loaves are the church. This can be proven further and, let me tell you, what's coming next is going to blow your socks off. Make sure you have a King James Bible handy.

The two wave-loaves of Leviticus 23:15-18 appear again over the span of the two feedings of the multitudes in Matthew chapters 14 and 15. Remember the 5 loaves of bread and the two fish that Jesus fed the multitude with in Matthew 14:16-18?

Matthew 1416-18
16. But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat.
17. And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes.
18. He said, Bring them hither to me.

The two fish in Matthew 14 represent the Christian church as it is being added to. Remember when Jesus told the disciples he would make them fishers of MEN?

Matthew 4:18-20
18. And Jesus, walking by the sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers.
19. And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.

He was referring to the church being added to:

Acts 2:46-47
46. And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
47. praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

The church, indeed, was to grow steadily over the course of two thousand years. Notice, in particular, though, that these verses are saying that many were added to the LORD. That's an important detail and you'll see why in just a bit.

Acts 5:14
And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.

Acts 11:24
For he was a good man, and full of the Holy Ghost and of faith: and much people was added unto the Lord.

Okay, now pay attention closely to all that follows:

In the next chapter, Matthew 15, Jesus feeds a SECOND multitude, but this time it takes place in GENTILE nations. ('Gentile' means all other nation besides Israel.) Jesus goes to the coasts of Tyre and Sidon, which are Gentile nations north of Israel. There he meets a Gentile woman (a Canaanite) who begs him to heal her daughter, who is vexed with a devil. Jesus tells her that he has come to minister only to the children of Israel and that it would not be acceptable for him to give the children's bread to the dogs (Gentiles). This may sound cruel, but there was a reason for all of this. The woman pleads with Jesus that even the dogs get crumbs, and Jesus tells her that because of her great faith, her daughter had already been healed. This demonstrated to his apostles that the Gentiles were to be added to the church along with the believing Jews, and that it was FAITH that added one to the body of Christ, not lineage or ancestry. Also, this was the first time Jesus had ministered to a Gentile. Jesus then goes to the Decapolis (Mark 7:31), which was Gentile territory east of the Jordan river, where he feeds the second multitude, this time four thousand people:

Matthew 15:32-37
32. Then Jesus called his disciples unto him, and said, I have compassion on the multitude, because they continue with me now three days, and have nothing to eat: and I will not send them away fasting, lest they faint in the way.
33. And his disciples say unto him, Whence should we have so much bread in the wilderness, as to fill so great a multitude?
34. And Jesus saith unto them, How many loaves have ye? And they said, Seven, and a few little fishes.
35. And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the ground.
36. And he took the seven loaves and the fishes, and gave thanks, and brake them, and gave to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude.
37. And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the broken meat that was left seven baskets full.

Notice that the two fishes that were in chapter 14 have now turned into two LOAVES of bread, bringing the total number of loaves to seven. Also, notice that the word "Seven" in verse 34 is capitalized. That means that this is a reference to the body of Christ!

Check it out:

1st Corinthians 10:17
For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

The body of Christ is likened to a body of bread.

Did you see what happened here? After the feeding of the multitude in Gentile lands (a type of the gospel having included the Gentiles) the fishing and gathering of the church is over and the two fishes have become the two wave-loaves of Leviticus 23:15-18. The firstfruits body of Christ is now complete. The "few little fishes" of Matthew 15:34 are the saints that will become saved out of the 70th week. They are the saints mentioned in Revelation 7:14. More on them later.

So, guess what this means. It means that the church falls under the "Christ the firstfruits" group in 1st Corinthians 15:23, NOT they that are Christ's at his coming:

1st Corinthians 15:23
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.

And THAT means that the church will be resurrected BEFORE Jesus' second coming. Now you know why Paul said 'THEY' that are Christ's at his coming and not 'we.'

Also, notice that after feeding the multitude in chapter 15, Jesus returns to Magdala, thus returning his attention to Israel. This is a type and picture of God returning his focus to Israel and starting the 70th week after the church has been completed:

Matthew 15:39
And he sent away the multitude, and took ship, and came into the coasts of Magdala.

Once back in Israel, he warns the Jews to beware the leaven (doctrine) of the Pharisees and the Sadducees. What was the doctrine of the Pharisees? Man-made religion, aka Mystery Babylon. Who shows up riding on the back of the beast when the 70th week starts? Mystery Babylon (Revelation chapter 17.) And what was the doctrine of the Sadducees? That there was no resurrection. What are false teachers, heretics, and ministers of Satan going to be saying during the 70th week? That there had been no resurrection (particularly, a rapture of the church).

As for who the other 5 loaves of the Seven are, I'm almost positive that they are the 5 wise virgins of Matthew 25, which represent the 144k, the male virgins of Revelation 14:4, since they are the other part of "Christ the firstfruits." The first clue we have is that they are already bread (5 loaves) and are, therefore, already part of the body of Christ before the church is. Remember the wave-sheaf comes before the wave-loaves (Leviticus 23:9-12 and 15-18 for a refresher). Some people might argue that that can't be because the virgins are female, but nowhere in Matthew 25 does it say that the virgins are female. The bride of Matthew 25 is the church (Romans 7:4). They don't go at the same time (obviously), but they are both part of "Christ the firstfruits." So where do the saints of the 70th week fit in then? They are the "few little fishes" of Matthew 15:34. They are the guests called to the future wedding in Matthew 22:2-13. They are the unsaved inhabitants of the earth during the 70th week called to salvation by faith and works, which is why both good and bad show up (the man who showed up and didn't have clean garments and was bound hand and foot and cast into outer darkness.) This is a picture of the unrighteous and the righteous being gathered to Jesus after he lands on earth and makes his way to his throne, then all of the wicked being cast out.

Now, let's deal with 1st Cortinthians 15:54, since our post-tribber friends seem to think it's "proof" that the rapture of the church happens immediately after the 70th week. Let's start with verse 51 so we know for a fact that this is a description of the rapture of the church, but pay close attention to verese 54:

1st Corinthians 15:51-54
51. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52. in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Post-tribbers point out that the words, 'Death is swallowed up in victory' are from the prophecy in Isaiah chapter 25, and then they point out that Isaiah chapter 25 is a reference to the tail end of Revelation 7, which describes the end of the 70th week. They therefore conclude that since 1st Corinthians 15:54 says that after the church had gotten their new bodies that the prophecy from Isaiah 25 shall then be brought to pass, the rapture of the church clearly happens at the end of the 70th week. This sounds intriguing, so let's take a look at those scriptures, starting with Isaiah chapter 25, and then the end of Revelation chapter after that:

Isaiah 25:6-10
6. And in this mountain shall the Lord of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.
7. And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.
8. He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.
9. And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the Lord; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.
10. For in this mountain shall the hand of the Lord rest, and Moab shall be trodden down under him, even as straw is trodden down for the dunghill.

This is definitely describing the end of the 70th week. The post-tribbers are being honest about that, at least. Notice the feast of wines and blood and marrow and fat things in verse 6. This is the great supper mentioned in Revelation 19:17-18 and Ezekiel 39:17-20. The "wine" is the blood that comes out of the great winepress mentioned in Revelation 14, which is Jesus destroying the anti-Christ's armies at Armageddon. Notice that in verse 7 "the face of the covering" and "the vail that is spread over all nations" is removed. This is the strong delusion that God sends upon the Christ-rejecting world in 2nd Thessalonians 2:10-12.

Notice in verse 10 that the kingdom that has been broken is the horn of Moab. The anti-Christ will be a Jew (or someone with Jewish roots) from Moab, which is why Edom, Moab and the Ammonites all escape from him in Daniel 11:41. He's not going to attack his own people. Finally, notice that in verse 8 it does indeed mention that death is swallowed up in victory. Notice also in verse 8 that he wipes the tears away from their faces. This matches up with the tail end of Revelation chapter 7, which is describing the end of the 70th week too:

Revelation 7:13-17
13. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14. And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Uh, oh! Are the post-tribbers going to score a field goal? Are they going to be like that team that's down 58 to 0, but they just HAVE to get in a field goal before they leave? Nope. They don't even get that.

If you read 1st Corinthians 15:54 carefully, it says "then shall be brought to pass that saying death is swallowed in victory." Emphasis on the words "then shall be brought to pass." It does NOT say, "And then shall have been FULFILLED that saying death is swallowed up in victory." No, it says it is still yet a future event and it could be even years away. I'll prove it. There is one other place in your King James Bible where the words "and shall be brought to pass" are found verbatim and that is in Ezekiel 21:7

Ezekiel 21:7
And it shall be, when they say unto thee, Wherefore sighest thou? that thou shalt answer, For the tidings; because it cometh: and every heart shall melt, and all hands shall be feeble, and every spirit shall faint, and all knees shall be weak as water: behold, it cometh, and shall be brought to pass, saith the Lord God.

When this warning was given, the actual occurrence of the coming judgment was still several years away, as can be discerned by the dates given at the beginning of several of the chapters in Ezekiel. It's the same with 1st Corinthians 15:54. When the times comes that "this corruption shall have put on incorruption" there will still be several years (seven, exactly) before the saying "death is swallowed up in victory" is brought to pass. So why would Paul even bring it up then? Because the whole chapter is about resurrection from DEATH. I hate to say, "duh," but duh.

(6) Quote from post-tribbers:
"Revelation 7:13-14 clearly shows saints in the 70th week, so the church is definitely going to be there!"

There is a good reason the elder called John over to him and referred to the saints of Revelation 7:13-14 as a separate, special group of saints. Revelation 7:13-14 is depicting the people that got saved during the 70th week, not before, and as usual, the Bible proves this.

First, notice that the saints of Revelation 7:13-14 have to wash their robes in the blood of Jesus themselves, whereas the saints that John identifies with in Revelation 1:5 have been washed by Jesus:

Revelation 7:13-14
13. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14. And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Revelation 1:5
and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Those that get saved in the 70th week aren't sealed by the Holy Spirit as the Christians who were saved under grace through faith were. The 70th week saints are saved by faith and works. They are either going to be martyred for not taking the mark of the beast (Revelation 12:11), or they are going to manage to survive until they are gathered in front of Jesus in front of his throne (Matthew 25:31-40).

That's about all I have for now, but I want to address two more things I always hear from post-tribbers:


(7) The "last trump."

A lot of people think that because Paul said in 1st Corinthians 15:51-53 that the rapture would happen at the last trump that this must mean the 7th trumpet of the 70th week, which would mean that the church is going through a majority of the 70th week. Let's take a look at the scripture and see what it says:

1st Corinthians 15:51-52
51. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52. in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Notice it says the last 'trump,' NOT the last trumpet. A 'trump' is just the sound a trumpet makes, so this is going to be the last sound that a particular trumpet makes. But which trumpet is it talking about in 1st Corinthians 15:51-52?

Notice that before he is given the book of Revelation, John hears the voice like unto a trumpet speaking behind him:

Revelation 1:10-13
10. I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
11. saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
12. And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13. and in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

The one talking to John was none other than Jesus Christ. Notice that he speaks with a voice like a trumpet. He speaks to John again with the voice of a trumpet and tells John to "come up hither."

Revelation 4:1-2
1. After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
2. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

This is exactly what is going to happen to the church at the rapture. Remember the four hours of resurrection that Jesus mentioned in john 5:25-29? Look again at what he says there. He says that all four of the hours of resurrection will happen at the sound of his VOICE:

John 5:25, 28-29
25. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29. and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

See that? We're going to hear his VOICE and rise up. Like I said, the "trump" is simply the sound a trumpet makes. When it say we shall rise up at the last trump, it means the last word that Jesus will say, which will most likely be "hither," considering the words he said to John in Revelation 4.


(8) Quote from post-tribbers:
"There's nothing special about the church that it should get to escape any persecution, so why should it get to escape the 70th week?"

First of all, who says the church is escaping persecution? It's being more persecuted today than all of the previous centuries combined. Post-tribbers always say this as if there is some lack of suffering that the church should feel ashamed about. They're just projecting their own guilt upon the church. Just because some post-tribber isn't going through any persecution doesn't mean they get to subject the church to the 70th week to make up for their lack of hardship. Also, Jesus made it clear that because of the work the church has doen for Jesus and the patience they have had following his word, he is going to keep us from the hour of temptation that will comes upon the whole earth (Revelation 3:10).  Lastly, only a devil who isn't part of the church would say that there is nothing special about the church. I'm glad Jesus felt differently and was good enough to give himself for us.

Of course, as soon as you say THAT, the post-tribber switches gears and goes with this:

(9) Quote from post-tribbers:
"Christians in 3rd world countries aren't getting to  escape persecution and hardship, so why should western Christians get to escape?"

At first, this sounds soooo virtuous and considerate, doesn't it? But, tell me, what favor is the post-tribber doing those poor Christians in 3rd world countries with this false altruism? None. Not only are they not delivering them from the persecution they are currently facing, they are demanding that they stick around for the 70th week, as well, just so the western Christians can suffer too. Those Christians that are facing brutal persecution in lesser developed countries want the pre-70th week rapture of the church to happen even MORE than western Christians, but post-tribbers are essentially telling them, "Hey, I know you'd love for the rapture to happen before the 70th week so you can quit being so hounded and killed, BUT if you'll just stick around for a time that's even worse than what you're going through now, these sorry, despicable western Christians can suffer too! Doesn't that sound better than getting to escape? Yeah? Cool! See you in the 70th week then!

(10) Quote from post-tribbers:
"The falling away" and the "strong delusion" is going to be a combination of people saying, "where is the promise of his coming (2nd Peter 3:4) and people being offended and angry that the pre-trib rapture of the church they had been deceived into trusting in never happened (Matthew 24:10, Proverbs 13:12).

If pre-tribbers saw the anti-Christ rise to power and confirm a 7 year covenant with Israel, they would simply realize their doctrine had been wrong and would adjust accordingly. There would be little to be offended about because having actually SEEN the anti-Christ, they would at least know that the rest of what they had been taught was true and was now going to happen. There would be no one asking "where is the promise of his coming?" because they would know that it's going to happen within 7 years.

Here's a much more likely scenario:

People are going to be offended because, even though something huge obviously just happened all over the planet (lots of people disappearing in the rapture of the church), they're going to be told that the rapture didn't happen, then they study their bibles a little and realize that it DID. Pregnant mothers are going to suddenly be without their babies and parents are going to suddenly be without their youngest kids. People are going to be wanting answers and they're either going to be told that nothing happened, or that it's all a big ruse to make them believe in a false rapture. Also, the ones pushing the notion of a post-70th week rapture of the church (such as the catholic church and ministers of satan) will get violent against those that start insisting that they all missed the rapture, and demand that everyone band together and get on board with a unified one world religion for protection. Seriously, can you even imagine the chaos that will ensure after the church is raptured out of this world? This will be why people are hated and offended.

Also, like I pointed out at the beginning of this article, the evnt Peter said the last days scoffers were ignorant of was Noah and the flood, which Jesus had used as a type of the FIRST day of Christ, aka the rapture of the church before the 70th week. Think about it: Peter plainly says that the scoffers will be saying "Things go on as they have since our fathers passed away," meaning that things will be business as usual when the rapture of the church happens, just as it had been in Noah's day. Things will most certainly not be business as usual during the 70th week.

And again, 2nd Thessalonians 2:10-12 is very clear that the 70th week is for those who rejected the gospel of salvation when they had a chance to accept it in the past.
 

So, what's it going to be, post-tribbers? (And I'm addressing the not so innocent ones who LOVE the idea of the church going through the 70th week). Are you going to change your tune and start preaching the right doctrine? Or are you going to further damn yourself and keep teaching a post-70th wek rapture of the church despite the overwhelming heaps of biblically backed evidence for a pre-70th week rapture you have seen here?

Not only have man of your strongest points of "proof' been refuted, but you've been faced with 5 questions you cannot answer while still supporting a post-70th week rapture of the church:

(1) Who are the 12 tribes of Israel in Matthew 19:28? The church? Then why do we have to be judged? The Jews? Then why weren't they raised incorruptible? By the way, you sat over here and told us straight to our face that you don't support replacement theology, but you certainly do.

(2) Who's being raptured up in Revelation 14:14-16, which happens BEFORE Armageddon if the gathering in Matthew 24:39-31 doesn't happen until AFTER the battle of Armageddon? I thought we were all raptured up together, remember?

(3) What determines that the righteous who are gathered to Jesus' throne in Matthew 25:31-46 are actually righteous? Grace through faith? Then why weren't they raised incorruptible with us? Faith plus works? Then you just admitted there was a change in the dispensation of salvation.

(4) What's the difference between (1) the 5 wise virgins of Matthew 25:1-13, (2) the bride in Matthew 25:1-13, and (3) the guests to the wedding in Matthew 22:2-14?

(5) What do you do with the fact that Jesus clearly said there is more than one day of Christ (Luke 17:22) and then described one that perfectly typifies the church being kept from the 70th week (Noah, the ark and the flood) and then described the other that perfectly described the wrath at the end (Sodom, Lot's escape, his wife's demise)?

It's like I said: If you fight against this much evidence of a pre-70th week rapture of the church then it's because you are HOPING that the church goes through the 70h week, and I'd hate to be you when you have to answer for that.

That will do it for now. If you have been depressed because you WANT to believe in a pre-70th week rapture of the church, but have been convinced by false teaching that the rapture of the church won't happen until half, or 90% or the very end of the 70th week, I sincerely hope this article just gave you some strongly renewed hope and comfort. And if you are one of those devilish snakes that believes in a post-70th week rapture of the church because you secretly hate the church and want to see it delivered into the hands of Satan, you're probably sulking and frowning right now.

Hold your head up, church! It won't be long now.